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#591952 - 03/28/17 10:55 AM Sore subject
SRTDODGE Offline
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Registered: 01/30/15
Posts: 37
Loc: TX
I know this is a wild shot, but there were a few reasons for racing TORN this year. The great rumors from other members that talked highly about were to name a couple,
Pit riding under control!
Bumps were under control!
Here we are 3rd race in, rumors of tracks not likely to get tracks due to the out of control pit riding, and lap times are definitely out in some of the classes.
Example is the minis. 2.5 minute lead? Wrong class folks. Move your self up. I know this will stir the pot for some, but it seems that this isnt talked about here on the forums.
Im hoping my Torn experience gets better.

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#591960 - 03/28/17 09:25 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: SRTDODGE]
jharris Offline
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Registered: 04/13/07
Posts: 67
Loc: Texas
Pit Riding this weekend was a little on the crazy side.
Bumps? I am assuming you are talking about the Mini Int and Mini EXP. The kid that has won the last two races in the Mini INT cannot be competitive in the mini expert class at this point. Look at the actual lap times, of the two classes. He would be in last place of the expert class, this would not be fair to the kid to be bumped. Based on his times, I think he is in the correct class, but not my call.
We went through the same thing when my son was in the mini classes, we were bumped to a class that he did not belong in, no way was he going to be competitive. He was on a super mini bumped to I think was the Lites intermediate class. No way could he compete with these guys as far as bikes, ability yes but not bikes.
My son has chased the same rider from Mini Amateurs all the way to today, and still chasing him in the pro class. Best advise I was given was training for the rider and more riding. The mini INT riders will get faster chasing a faster rider.

Enjoy TORN, we have for 8 plus years. Also note, we travel 5 plus hours to each race to race with the fastest cross country riders in the region and one of the best, most honest and fair run organizations we have participated in

just my thoughts...

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#591977 - 03/29/17 10:28 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: jharris]
YAM 651 Offline
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Registered: 03/23/10
Posts: 510
I agree with the pit riding! It's a bit out of control! People need to slow down, & the pits are not a place to play ride, last year I got a small dent in the door of my new truck from a kid playing around & hit my truck! At the last race I saw a kid maybe 10 or 11 yrs old driving a utv up & down the pit road with 2 other kids in with him, too young to be driving that in my opinion!
Another thought is people stopping in the middle of the track during practice to chat or discuss lines or whatever! Move off the track!!!! Someone is Gona get hit & hurt
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#591985 - 03/30/17 03:01 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: YAM 651]
Yamaha445 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/03
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Pit out of control, dogs not on leashes, and saw/smelled people smoking pot during my race! Next time I will stop, racing or not.
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#591991 - 03/30/17 11:34 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Yamaha445]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Do yourself and your family a favor, and abandon the crazy idea of hoping for improvement here. It will get better when you join the family of 45+ years in off-road. You have already wasted three months of this year, now run as fast as you can to happiness of the best xc group to enjoy great family and racing for the rest of the year.

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#592005 - 03/31/17 05:33 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Bengamin]
woodwoodyn Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 38
Different class of people at Torn.you never see negative posts from Torn members on other forums.we race both series and you see the same thing in the pits at both.Both series are great to race in. Just enjoy the opportunity you have to pick a series to race.

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#592009 - 04/01/17 01:25 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: woodwoodyn]
Yamaha445 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 327
Loc: Sachse
I agree. The season usually starts off like this, but it'll get handled. Always does
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#592010 - 04/01/17 03:40 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Yamaha445]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Different class of people if you are speaking about leadership. Everyone agrees; RUN from this disaster

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#592030 - 04/02/17 02:16 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Bengamin]
Irishcoffee Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
Posts: 2742
Loc: TEXAS
Originally Posted By: Bengamin
Do yourself and your family a favor, and abandon the crazy idea of hoping for improvement here. It will get better when you join the family of 45+ years in off-road. You have already wasted three months of this year, now run as fast as you can to happiness of the best xc group to enjoy great family and racing for the rest of the year.
Huh?

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#592037 - 04/02/17 10:21 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Irishcoffee]
ridered Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 740
Loc: peaster, tx
I've been racing Torn since 09, not as much since they started catering to the SXS and the tracks suffered from it. As far as mini bumps, good luck. Pit riding is bad at all the offroad organization races. I will say Curtis and Angie are some of the nicest people you will meet. I just wish they would go back to the way it was years ago and race bikes one weekend and SXS/ATV the following weekend. The tracks were way better back then and showed they put more effort into it.
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#592054 - 04/04/17 01:03 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Irishcoffee]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Huh?

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#592055 - 04/04/17 01:06 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: ridered]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Easy fix for all of your headaches. RUN from this clan to the best for the bikes. No SXS, ATV's. Just great family based fun which you have input.

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#592056 - 04/04/17 03:12 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Bengamin]
ridered Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 740
Loc: peaster, tx
If you are talking TCCRA, you still don't have input
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#592058 - 04/04/17 04:38 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: ridered]
bleedblue Offline
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Registered: 06/17/14
Posts: 35
Loc: peaster tx
TCCRA has just as much pit riding as anywhere, it blows my mind that none of the racing organizations do not enforce helmet rules when on a bike crazy.

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#592059 - 04/04/17 05:53 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: bleedblue]
YAM 651 Offline
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Registered: 03/23/10
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I haven't ever seen or heard of a Torn member talking bad about other organizations! Hmmmm? Talk about class of people!
Both organizations have pros & cons!
I personally like the Torn tracks better than TCCRA, the times I raced tccra the tracks were pretty much run in rock gardens!!!
And they mostly a long drive , I don't care for that eather, YES the Awards are lots better, but is it REALY about the awards?
I suggest you try both & find out witch one is for you
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#592064 - 04/04/17 09:51 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: YAM 651]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Originally Posted By: YAM 651
I haven't ever seen or heard of a Torn member talking bad about other organizations! Hmmmm? Talk about class of people!
Both organizations have pros & cons!
I personally like the Torn tracks better than TCCRA, the times I raced tccra the tracks were pretty much run in rock gardens!!!
And they mostly a long drive , I don't care for that eather, YES the Awards are lots better, but is it REALY about the awards?
I suggest you try both & find out witch one is for you


Ever heard the torn leader? And rock gardens, where did you race?

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#592065 - 04/04/17 09:53 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: ridered]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Originally Posted By: ridered
If you are talking TCCRA, you still don't have input


Non-profit member ran vs for-profit dictator ran. Hummmm

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#592066 - 04/04/17 10:17 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Bengamin]
ridered Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 740
Loc: peaster, tx
They all have Pros and Cons. It just depends on what you want to race. Can't make everyone happy
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#592067 - 04/05/17 12:46 AM Re: Sore subject [Re: ridered]
junius Offline
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Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 125
Loc: midlothian
Ridered I agree the early years were more challenging. I started in 2007. Raced off and on since then. I like the TORN format but wish they would extend the race an extra 10 minutes to make it longer. Now back to the original subject. There is always someone faster. Look at the lap times. Thats racing. Without it we would not improve ourselves and we would go nowhere. This brings me to my next point of view. Pit riding is the same at all races. Take a good look around. You have a bunch of people amped up to get out of their own shell and be alive. I was there and only saw Larry Loop Out once in the pits. It was actually funny. I am not gonna comment on the smoking thing. I dont but it happens. Everywhere. Business is about evolution. He has done what he had to so that all 3 series can survive. One weekend is the only way its gonna happen. Dictator you bet. It belongs to him. Take another look around at the equipment. No other series brings that with them. Period. To each his own Bengamin. I get that being passionate thing. The grass is always greener until it dries out. Then it gets cut. Bailed. Turns to hard pack. Whats left behind gets turned into a track. Happens all the time. All 3 series are not going anywhere any time soon. If a fourth opens up I welcome them and will attend. Maybe someone should start one. Thats why we have 3 instead of 2 in the DFW area.

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#592068 - 04/05/17 08:49 AM Re: Sore subject [Re: junius]
jharris Offline
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Registered: 04/13/07
Posts: 67
Loc: Texas
Bengamin, made your point, now run away as fast as you can. Nobody really likes forum trolls anyway.
I am curious though, why are you on here bashing TORN? Paid spokesman for this "other" series? Scared to go by yourself? Possibly a preteen mad cause he cant compete in any of the classes?

As you run away, hit the TORCS forum, there is a key board jockey/Troll arguing about how bad they are too. Screen name random. Do you go by random as well? The two of you have about the same post count, meaning you are newbs...

Final point, anyone want to see pit riding out of control? Make a point next year to hit any of the Spring nationals. James Stewart at Freestone, Oakhill or Daytona. We have been to all of them and the pit riding is way out of control. Want to see pit riding in excess? Hit Loretta's then you will get a feel on how bad pit riding really can be.

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#592070 - 04/05/17 01:08 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: jharris]
Bengamin Offline
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Registered: 09/28/16
Posts: 14
Originally Posted By: jharris
Bengamin, made your point, now run away as fast as you can. Nobody really likes forum trolls anyway.
I am curious though, why are you on here bashing TORN? Paid spokesman for this "other" series? Scared to go by yourself? Possibly a preteen mad cause he cant compete in any of the classes?

As you run away, hit the TORCS forum, there is a key board jockey/Troll arguing about how bad they are too. Screen name random. Do you go by random as well? The two of you have about the same post count, meaning you are newbs...

Final point, anyone want to see pit riding out of control? Make a point next year to hit any of the Spring nationals. James Stewart at Freestone, Oakhill or Daytona. We have been to all of them and the pit riding is way out of control. Want to see pit riding in excess? Hit Loretta's then you will get a feel on how bad pit riding really can be.


No running here but appreciate your embracing attitude....sounds like a torn member.

Back on point, only trying to help a fellow racer out. No reason to keep wasting time and money when you aren't enjoying yourself.

For those who enjoy torn, keep padding his pockets

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#592081 - 04/06/17 05:10 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: Bengamin]
Irishcoffee Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
Posts: 2742
Loc: TEXAS
You folks in the DFW area are very fortunate to have several choices(HS-Enduro) to ride many times in the year. A huge number of us in other areas have four to eleven hour drives to ride anything, usually only one option. Quit throwing stones, count your blessings.

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#592156 - 04/16/17 12:03 AM Re: Sore subject [Re: Irishcoffee]
Jackalope Offline
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Registered: 11/09/07
Posts: 485
Loc: Paradise TX
Irishcoffe makes a great point. We used to travel 4 to 6 hours one way to make races in West Texas and the metroplex. Being closer to DFW was a major part of my family making the move. We love being so close to all the action.

Benjamin,
You have a total of 14 posts. Your either a troll or 12. Either way I have raced almost every active cross country circuit except TORCS. Nothing against them just haven't managed to make one. I have raced some that no longer exist. I have promoted a few races. TCCRA has some great positive points and also has some major issues too. TORN has some of the same issues. I personally love practicing and racing the same day. I like not having to show up a day early to practice or 8 hours early to register for a race.
As far as padding pockets your right. I gladly pay for all the countless hours of work.
Finding and negotiating properties.
Scheduling properties around production, harvest, grazing and other circuits.
Prerace track scouting and planning.
Setting up emergency personnel.
Insurance for insurance
Getting porta potties scheduled and staged.
Negotiating sponsorships to help offset the costs.
Dealing with rain outs and schedule changes.
The list is way longer than taking our dollars and depositing it in an account.
I ask that you not bash this circuit. Cross country racing is getting tougher and tougher and one day may longer exist. Support your favorite circuit but be tolerant of those that choose other options. Maybe you need to sign up and volunteer for that circuit instead of bash this one.
Thanks.
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#592165 - 04/17/17 10:09 AM Re: Sore subject [Re: Jackalope]
liss Offline
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Registered: 11/01/04
Posts: 7286
Loc: LOVING,TEXAS
Good morning kids..... wow you miss a lot when you don't look at the forums till race weekend.
First off pit riding it was addressed at the riders meeting where Curtis warned of the zero tolerance. he was being nice to the newbies and the couple of time a year show up guys. He stated get a number and come to me I will handle it. He will I've seen him take out vehicles for the weekend and ban you from them.

Bumps: we are two races in. He will bump. He is given the lap times with no no names or numbers so not to show bias. You can't bump someone cause they are faster. Only because they can run in a faster class and sometimes there is a huge gap between levels of classes. Look at the ladies over 30 and you will see what I mean. Doesn't mean the leader of the amateurs should bumped.

There are folks who like other series better than TORN and that's ok. I like torn best and you won't see me bashing the others. They are good in their own way.

Profit vs non profit: How much of a profit do you think they actually make? I think you would be surprised. Have you even bothered to look at the ministries? That's what TORN is they just let us race while we are there. They put on summer camps, feed people, build churches, help downed riders, I could go on and on.

Full time EMS: if you only knew what a top notch crew they have, the training the passion for the racers. Only the best for TORN they don't just get by with who is willing to work.

I have raced TORN since the very first race. My family has been at every race since. We will continue as long as racing is in the cards.

If you have concerns about tracks, bumps, pit riders, the ministries talk to Curtis or his family or crew. They don't troll the forums you won't get answers that way.

Good luck and ride safe
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#592200 - 04/24/17 10:40 AM Re: Sore subject [Re: liss]
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Registered: 02/10/04
Posts: 269
Loc: arlington
That individual is troubled by lack of experience . I can't believe i remebered my Log - in

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#592202 - 04/24/17 02:21 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: junkman]
liss Offline
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Registered: 11/01/04
Posts: 7286
Loc: LOVING,TEXAS
aww so proud of you! lol my laptop remembered mine.....
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#592212 - 04/25/17 10:29 PM Re: Sore subject [Re: liss]
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Posts: 125
Loc: midlothian
Not one for hijacking a thread. But I have been known to do it. Liss and Cecil. We have a brand new kawi kfx 90 4 wheeler for sale. Turtle ridden. 2017. Maybe 6 hours. Payed off. Has been seen around Billy and Kris camp. Also seen at Junkman's proving grounds. AKA Teddy's house. If anyone knows anyone interested let me know. 2k. Still under warranty. I don't do Facebook and don't check private messages but not hard to find. This thing needs a good home.

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