I did not intend to drag RFC ministries into this mess, I have nothing against any one in RFC including Joe, I like Joe and have no problem with him. I met Joe as a 16 year old pro in a gas station and he was very nice and polite to me and my son. He stood and talked to us for several minutes. As you pointed out that it was a TORN member that started all this, i just pointed out that he was the first to post a negative. I have respect for RFC and support them any time I am at an event they are present.

this thread reminds me of the old Friday the 13th movies. The only way to kill Jason was to ignore him.

Atleast this is only one thread. I have seen many boards that most of the threads end up like this one.

To all who ride,

There is too much back and forth, bickering, smack talking to other members of an organization, it be TORN, TCCRA or TORO. While our very government is trying to destroy the very thing we all love and enjoy.

How many are aware you almost lost a right to ride your recreational vehicle on 2 million acres of public lands (Senate Bill 22: The Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009)? Please read this article http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=724 and thanks to the AMA the bill was shot down on March 11, 2009. Can you buy a new 50cc or parts for your child? NO, all common sense has left Washington and it will be us paying a price for it.

There is going to be a time when we all (TORN, TCCRA, TORO, TORCS, GNCC, WORCS, AMA) will have to ban together to save our sport. This is why it’s so important to have several organizations and so many riders. Just think about that next time anyone disrespects any organization.

This should be the final word on the subject………………

But.....but......but........... I have something else to say............

Charles...........that wasn't a very nice thing to say about Cecil. Besides..........I taught him everything he knows!! Just so you know it's "KAAT"

Creativecrasher is right. I am just thankful that we have these choices. We have a hobby my whole family can do together. ANd most of all I am thankful for my Mom. She is 60 tomorrow!!!

okay........NOW I am done!!!

Nuff said..............Angie please Lock this thread and let it die

Or lets move it to the TCCRA fourms..........

WOW, 60, what happened to 39?????? did someone fib?

MR. charles I tell you what. I don't want to buy a vowel but how about i sell you a hyphon (E-cited)now thats a lot better.I would sell you an X but it is not a vowel. Now that we have that out the way you seemed to have opened the door i will come on in.


So are you the one that told everybody that i cussed out all of the officers and thats why you erased my post?There was a whole lot of attempts going on to make me look bad.Are you at the root of that?
I can tell you this much I cussed nobody.I did call you a coward.


Charles i will tell you i did make a mistake that day and both persons that i was in direct conflict with got an apoligy,which is more than i can say i got from you.please don't start now. I did not stand in front of the entire club and do it but apoligies were handed out.AS for you with everbody talking bad about you behind your back i think you used me as some kind of tactic to devert the attention away from yourself.I say that because it has been brought to my attention that you have some problems that may be a little greater that mine.


The reasons that we race torn have nothing to do with the track.There are good tracks and bad tracks and it just so happens that torn does have better tracks.I don't know how many of you know me and Curtis had a huge blow up .The thing that impressed me the most about Curtis is we were able to work it out without name calling or mudslinging.It was handled like two Christain brothers and that meant a lot to me.I also race his son now and there is no favortism.therefore I would say the reason we race TORN is because of equal treatment.I must say it gets a little boring with nothing to gossip about.We live in a place where it is ok to make mistakes.When people make mistakes they should be punished not made an example of.Over tccra when somebody makes a mistake you are burnt at the cross!


As for RFC I love what they do and don't have any problem with what they represent.Now Kevin as singled out person isn't any better than you are charles.I know for a fact that he said some pretty ugly things about me and charlie bogard.Preachers are not supposed to conduct themselfes in that manner.However I forgive him and everybody in this circumstance and hold no grudge. I just feel need the to go a different direction with our family by getting in involved in a full time church.I don't feel like we could have done that without the help of RFC and i thank you for teaching us this and keeping our faith strong RFC.


Then you have the whole Charlie accident.I was right in the middle of that. He is my freind and friends stand behind friends where i come from.

My wife was at a Tccra race with another member and witnessed somebody cut the track to her suprise it was thrown out because the rest of the guys in his class said it was ok to cut the track.

so as you can see we choose TORN

OK now can we LOCK it?

i agree with you mikeydawg this is getting out of hand people excluding a few are trying to start arguements