Aloha Gang,

Well, I have some contacts at TPWD and would like to relay some nfomation to y'all.

First, the Red River is Oklahoma all right. So riding IN THE RIVER BED would be their jurisdiction. Second, riding on the BANKS of a river is not covered by the new law. The new law was passed mostly to prevent 4X4 folks from taking their vehicles with SNORKLES into the likes of the Frio and Llano rivers. Big photos of jeeps buried in water, thowing water in the air caused much ankst among the environmental folks.

Third, there are trail funds and grant available to open and fund ORV parks. Contact TPWD for more info. This money is from the gasoline taxes we all pay. This is the same as the Sportfish restoration fund which has gasoline money from BOATS contributed for making ramps and such.

Finally, NAVIGABLE is the big thing now. Dry river beds don't count. little trickles don't count. Can you paddle a canoe up it? That is the question we need to be aware of. So the area up on the Red River is pretty much open. The tiny little flows of water we cross around Muenster are not the issue. And the Canadian....well all of us that have ridden there know what that super salt water will do to your bike....you avoid the water where ever you can up there.

ciao,

David Klein