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#76871 - 12/15/03 01:48 PM Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton?
MotoVated758 Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: Pflugerville, TX
I have a Dodge 1/2 ton with the 5.9L, heavy duty towing package...etc, etc. It's tow rating is 7150 lbs. max. The trailer I'm thinking about getting has a GVWR of 7000 lbs. and a dry weight of 5250 lbs. Of course I will be getting a weight distribution hitch, and probably anti-sway, but I was wondering if anybody has much experience pulling close to max load with a 1/2 ton. I won't be able to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton so that's not an option. What's your experience?

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#76872 - 12/15/03 03:55 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
Tornados Offline
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You can do it if you change tranny fluid more often! Load distribution bars do alot for ya.
Weight adds up quick,,,,,water , gear, food ,,,BEER.
Might want to think about load range "E" tires . They'll give a better feel in steering.
I'm doing it just fine with a heavy 1/2 Chevy 5.7 liter.
Also make sure you set the trailer brakes correctly. read manual on fine tuning.
You'll do just fine... but don't expect a rocketship out of the hole.
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#76873 - 12/15/03 04:08 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
Dave Offline
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It should not be a problem as long as you are very aware of how much you add to the weight of the rig, i.e. water, gear, bikes, etc. Also, make sure you have an electric trailer brake controller installed and read the directions on how to set the controller for your truck and trailer when loaded. Practice in a big open parking lot or safe area that will allow you to start and stop with the different adjustable settings of the controller. Another thing that is easy to forget about is the weather...always check the weather and especially the wind speed because you can get blown all over the place when towing your rig in gusty winds. My personal cut off (for when NOT to tow) is anything above 20 - 25 mpg in wind speed. Head winds and tail winds are not nearly as "exciting" as a side wind gust...it can get scary quickly when you are doing 70 on a big open highway when towing a travel trailer in high winds.
And the number one thing to remember is give yourself PLENTY of time/space to slow down. It's amazing how many idiots will cut right in front of you and slam on the brakes.
Towing with a 1/2 ton is the easy part...stopping is trick. Check your brakes on the truck if you have lots of miles on them.

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#76874 - 12/15/03 05:58 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: Dave]
naga418 Offline
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Registered: 04/16/01
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Loc: Houston TX
I am with Dave on this one. Pulling is easy, stopping is the trick. You have to prepare for the "PANIC" stop. If you can panic stop with the load you will be just fine. Find a nice open area and give it a try and know the limits of your total rig loaded for bear. I had a couple "interesting" situations pulling with a 1/2 ton and can tell you it is hard to fine a place to clean out your shorts in the middle of nowhere.

First thing I noticed about my new 3/4 ton Chevy was the breaking power.


Good luck


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#76875 - 12/15/03 06:46 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: Dave]
jimeckroat Offline
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Registered: 12/27/01
Posts: 73
Loc: McAllen, Texas
You did not say what gears you have but the 3:73's are a real help.
The wind is the real problem, if I followed Dave's wind guidelines I would be stuck at home most of the year.
What ever you do make sure that you have brakes on all of the trailer wheels and that the ALL work properly.
For the record the 5.7 or 5.3 Chevy with the 3.42 gears will struggle with a head wind pulling a 5th wheel or any trailer with a closed front.
I can pull 2 Jeeps (11,000# +-) easier into a wind than my 8x20 cycle trailer (6,000#'s?)
The 3:73's do help with the wind but limit the top speed a little. ( I know, but I always have a long way to go)

Jim

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#76876 - 12/15/03 07:18 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
MotoVated758 Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: Pflugerville, TX
Hey, thanks for all the good information folks. I do have an electric brake controller in the Dodge, and I believe the gears are 3.73. I bought the Dodge used and no info came with the controller, but I found the adjustment knob and will dial it in eventually. The trailering part isn't new to me, hell I was pulling a 38 ft. horse trailer with living quarters from Dallas to Boiser City many weekends at age 16. That was a 1 ton pickup (dually) and it lugged around pretty much. I currently have a 1000 lb Wells Cargo 6x10 that I haul around with now, and I might put a 1K lb load in it. I know how that feels and the gas mileage I get with that. I am hoping that pulling the max rating of the 1/2 ton won't be too bad as far as getting to highway speeds eventually. I know the gas mileage will suk, but that kind of goes with the territory.

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#76877 - 12/18/03 10:51 AM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
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Registered: 11/29/01
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I've overloaded 1/2 ton trucks all my life. Good brakes like very one said and don't try to push it too fast.
Thay'll do much more then what the book saids.
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#76878 - 01/08/04 03:36 AM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: Fender_Bender]
mowman Offline
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Registered: 01/28/03
Posts: 152
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Just don't plan on getting in a hurry and it will work fine.I would buy a 1 ton for your next truck they ride good now.

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#76879 - 01/08/04 02:31 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: mowman]
MotoVated758 Offline
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Loc: Pflugerville, TX
Well...I'm in the process of getting a 21' Wanderer Wagon from a business buddy of mine. I pulled it behind the ole 1/2 ton Dodge to a couple of races now. It pulls great with the weight distribution hitch and anti-sway. I get about 8 miles to the gallon though, and averaged 6.6 when we caught Sunday's cold front coming back to Austin from Seguin. Have the brake controller set up pretty good. You can hardly tell the trailer is back there, even when braking fairly hard. Haven't had to panic stop yet, and hope not to. The trailer weighs 5300 dry, and when loaded with water and bikes (and everything else) I'm probably getting close to the 7150 lb towing capacity of the Dodge. Wish I could get a 3/4 ton, but if I did that, I couldn't afford the trailer. Thanks for all the input.

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#76880 - 01/09/04 07:12 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
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Registered: 05/26/01
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Loc: Austin, TX

I'm not sure on this, but I think any accident you get in is considered you fault (wheather it is or not) if you are over your vehicle's GVWR. This means if some jerk cuts in front of you and slams on the brakes causing you to hit him it's still considered you fault. You might want to look into this if you think you're that close to your max. Just looking out for ya!
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#76881 - 01/13/04 09:24 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: PALE_RIDER]
cdubb Offline
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Registered: 09/08/03
Posts: 266
Loc: Georgetown,Tx
JWS Go ahead and get the new truck, Ill take the trailer off your hands, you dont want that thing. It just aint set up good for you . BUT Its perfect for me

Might want to consider airbag suspension for the truck, its getting reasonably priced and does make a huge difference in the trucks handling.

Shawn
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#76882 - 01/14/04 02:50 AM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: cdubb]
MotoVated758 Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: Pflugerville, TX
Shawn,

I just couldn't part with the trailer. It beats the heck out of sleeping in the back of the old 6x10. Furnace heat is the best thing since sliced bread. My ole bones got a little cold on the air matress. This thing heats up in no time. I saw another one on the TON forum up in the DFW area. It's a 2000 model. My neighbor bought the guy's Polini and saw the trailer while he was up there. It was metal, and probaby got more use than mine. He did not look at the inside. The price looks good if it is in any kind of shape at all. You'll be able to haul at least 14 Polini's back there, maybe a KTM or two also.

My Dodge is pulling the trailer really well. It's only the gas mileage that stinks, but I figure I'll probably save money in the long run just buying the gas vs. the extra money spent for a 3/4 ton or larger. The trailer handles great, even with higher winds, and heavy 18 wheeler traffic. We will see you this weekend at XCreek. We're going out Friday night.

Jess

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#76883 - 01/14/04 03:36 AM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
cdubb Offline
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Loc: Georgetown,Tx
I guess thats ok. jk

Glad you like it. I was thinking of looking at that one, the price sounds good, dont be looking for any KTMs in there anytime soon. BUT you may see an old Suzuki SP200 in there. I finally got it all running good, ordered the last few parts today. Clutch cable and throttle tube, thats about it. I did ride it around town today, kinda tricky with no clutch cable, but it ran good, took it up to thrity five and saw the front tire got low really quick on me. So I can finnaly start riding a full size bike around the track to keep up with the boy. Got to ride my buddies CR250 this weekend, crazy power, but i couldt touch it was a balancing act to kick it over. So I had to get mine going. I dont think I can get it in the suburban, so Im going to have to get me a trailer soon, just hard to spend 3000 on a enclosed on when I can get a used toy hauler for 8000.


Did you all ready have the hitch? Ive been told buy a local rv dealer that my burban will pull them good. I just dont have a hitch. We will be out there saturday and sunday as long as the weather holds up. I dont think its worth the drive to Burnet and dealing with my wifes friend to borrow the pop up, so we will just drive back and forth.

See ya there
Shawn





let me say that I can get the bike in there but it would make a mess and not be good. I have hauled the bike and a small 80cc 4 wheeler in there at the same time. I got to get something soon cause the wife wants the 4 wheeler to take to the bathrooms. Ill probably have the 4 wheeler this weekend for her, the 2 Polinis and the PW50 in there. That takes some good packing skills and Im getting tired of picking up bikes to put in the burban.



Whos going to ride the polini?? Is it Michael that got it?? Is Eric going to ride it?>?
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#76884 - 01/14/04 01:40 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: cdubb]
MotoVated758 Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: Pflugerville, TX
Yeah, Mike got the Polini for Eric. Hopefully, he'll be racing it this weekend. The first day they tried it at XCreek, it sheared the bolts in the magneto. Mike will be getting the parts Thursday. Those guys live across the street from me. It's great having ridinng buddies so close. Don't have to go alone. I'm also borrowing his generator till I find a good deal on a used one. I have another neighbor that rides and he was with us this last weekend in the other trailer. He rented that one, but he had so much fun camping with the wife and kids, he's now looking for a toy box also.

The weight distribution hitch and anti-sway I have came with the trailer. I forget what brand it is, but it works really great. If you buy a used trailer, try and talk the owner out of his (if he's not getting another bumper pull) The guy that owned it before me pulled it with a newer model Surburban, so I know it can be done. The newer Surburban's with the Vortec engines have a little more hp and torque than my 99 model, so I won't be using mine to pull it with. I'm going to try and bring out my 4 wheeler, as well as the KLX 110 this weekend. That will be on top of my son's 85, and my 250F. I may have to put the 110 in the back of the pick-up, but we'll see how it goes. I need to rearrange the tie downs to better suit my needs.

Get your bike running...it's much easier to follow the kid around than running. What to you chase CW around on now during the races? CrossCreek is kind of hard to follow on foot.

See ya Sat.....
Jess

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#76885 - 01/14/04 07:28 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
cdubb Offline
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Registered: 09/08/03
Posts: 266
Loc: Georgetown,Tx
My feet, I have chased CW all around. CW has gotten better and dosent go down to much, sometimes I use the pw50. With the fences at XCreek it makes following pretty interesting. I usually put the wife on the front half and I take the back half of the track.

Isnt that Polini an X3?? I thought I saw that in the ad on here. If so hope the little guy can hold it up, these Polinis are about the heaviest in the class. If Michael needs any tips to working on them let me know. Ive gone threw them a few times. Glad to hear he got a bike that will put him up with the pack and can handle the jumps better. If it is an X3 might tell Michael that hed have to run the LEM one more time, Ny buddy who got the KTM senior wanted his boy to run it in the jr class, but Shawn said it wouldnt be a good idea. I dont know I think they said they where going to run the XR one last time.


See ya there.
Shawn
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#76886 - 01/14/04 09:21 PM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: cdubb]
MotoVated758 Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: Pflugerville, TX
Yep...the new bike is an X3 off of the TON forum here. Eric rode it for a little bit on Sunday before it broke. Mike may have the LEM sold already, but may try to keep it through the weekend for the race. We'll just see how everything goes up to Sunday. Get any pictures of that trailer yet. It's the same guy that sold Mike the X3.

Jess

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#76887 - 01/15/04 03:42 AM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: MotoVated758]
SUZUKIQ Offline
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SP200. My first dirt riding experiences were on a 1980 SP400T dual sport. I put a knobby on the back and even tried my hand at MX and harescrambles with it. Fun times. Blasted thing vibrated parts off worse than a Harley.
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#76888 - 01/15/04 04:10 AM Re: Anybody Pull a Max Load with a 1/2 Ton? [Re: SUZUKIQ]
cdubb Offline
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Registered: 09/08/03
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Loc: Georgetown,Tx
yeah when I got it back in highschool about 10 years ago my buddy i bought it from handed me a bottle of locktite and said that its my new best friend. Even that dosent help on some of the parts.


But all together I have 350 maybe in it. So it will do till I can afford a good bike, the boys racing comes first. Thats why he has 3 bikes and I got this ol thing. but its so worth it. wouldnt change a thing.

Shawn
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