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#544703 - 10/29/12 09:04 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: steve333]
Ice Man Offline
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Registered: 04/11/09
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Steve

I like the way you think. Your points are well made and taken.

The practice on Saturday isn't something we do often and I'd love to implement a parade lap on Sunday. Just have to figure out how to do it to get everyone on their way home at a decent hour.
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#544741 - 10/30/12 12:38 AM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Ice Man]
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I think OCCRA had a rule like that, you had to officially work 1 event in order to be considered for a year end championship and award. Or maybe it was the way the points were set up, that it was super favorable to work one race and get like double the points of a first place finish, so everyone would work one race. I like those "incentive" plans.

If logic fails, how about we just offer free beer and chicken wings to trail workers AFTER they put down the machettes and chain saws? Im ok with race prices going up a couple bucks to cover the 'nourishment' costs.
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#544819 - 10/30/12 08:49 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Nacho Nate]
Danarcher Offline
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Registered: 08/27/09
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Parade lap on Sunday plz!!!!
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#544950 - 11/01/12 10:16 AM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Airwolf__32]
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Registered: 11/24/08
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A mix of both types is good, and its what I voted for. Enduros just require a lot of manpower so the majority should be harescrambles. I think the Enduros we do run need to be longer.
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#544981 - 11/01/12 05:24 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Pullenmefinger]
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Actually we should pre run Gatorbait 2013, so an enduro before Gatorbait using a similar course like we did in 2012 is good practice for everyone.
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#545047 - 11/02/12 03:22 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Airwolf__32]
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Originally Posted By: Airwolf__32
Opinions about venues are great, but that's not what I was after. Since you ask, I am very interested in opinions about sites, but the dynamics of that question are completely different than the question about types of races. Similarly I could ask "where would you like your free toilet made of solid gold delivered?" and the easy answer would be "my front door." The problem lies in the fact that the delivery company wants more than you're willing to pay to have it delivered your front door. So in turn they just sit and wait for you to come get it, only you're too lazy to drive that far to get it, so then it just sits there and the delivery company enjoys the toilet right where it's at. Are we understanding the metaphorical moral of the story?


Just how much does it cost to have this solid gold toilet delivered?

Where can I pick mine up and how much does it weight?


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#545075 - 11/03/12 12:13 AM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Kenzo]
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It actually weighs very little and costs only a little time and sweat to have it delivered. The payoff is the personal satisfaction of knowing you went the extra distance to go get it.
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#545465 - 11/08/12 09:15 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: Airwolf__32]
redflash Offline
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Registered: 12/08/03
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One thing I loved about the old "timekeeper" family enduro is that it kept speeds down on the morning loop and allowed parents to ride with their kids in a semi competitive atmosphere. I don't know how you would enforce that in a restart format?

I guess you'd have to have a separate kids race like now.

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#547147 - 12/03/12 03:51 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: redflash]
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Originally Posted By: redflash
One thing I loved about the old "timekeeper" family enduro is that it kept speeds down on the morning loop and allowed parents to ride with their kids in a semi competitive atmosphere. I don't know how you would enforce that in a restart format?

I guess you'd have to have a separate kids race like now.


Great point! I was one of those kids and I loved being able to ride with my dad in a "race". Priceless memories.
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#547314 - 12/04/12 08:04 PM Re: What kind of races would you like to see in 2013? [Re: bam300xc]
lynnbailey24 Offline
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Registered: 07/28/10
Posts: 212
I will do my best to explain how we fit the re-start format concept into the TRH Family Enduro morning loop portion of the event. This might be too long of an explanation and I may drift, so please ask questions if anything is murky. The TRH family enduro that we had last March or April at SKull Creek, had a morning loop that was programmed exactly the same under the surface for checkpoint placement and timing as a timekeeper. It is not a point to point race. A parent and a young rider would typically have had the same exact score whether timekeeping with a rollchart and wristwatch or a re-start format on our family morning loop. The family loop is still designed to have the family ride together exactly the same as a timekeeper minus the timing equipment. The misconception is that the typical 12 mile family morning loop is a sprint that keeps the family that wants to ride together, whipped into a racing frenzy to the finish of the loop. As a comparison, the traditional timekeeper also normally started at a 12mph speed average (.2 miles per minute) with a "surprise" checkpoint at 3.0 or 3.2 miles that never really surprised anyone. The family would ride together up to the 2.9 mile marker and stop to allow time to catch up before proceeding to the secret checkpoint. Then the family of riders would ride for the next 3.0 miles without the risk of another secret checkpoint. The same exact scenario was played out at last year's re-start format family enduro except for all of the confused looks when stopping at 2.9 mile marker as Dad tried to line up the time from his wristwatch, odometer and rollchart timing information. The common result is for the family row of riders to arrive within a minute or two early of the scheduled time to spare in case someone has a tip over or trouble with the terrain. The goal was to have the kids arrive on time at the first checkpoint and get scored without losing late points and have a quick chance to bask in the glory, catch their breath or have Mom or Dad offer encouragement or goggle adjustment. This process is repeated over the next section of enduro course because the standard enduro rule is to have a 3.0 mile seperation after the last timed checkpoint to the next, so we left the "young kid obtainable" 12mph speed average in place so that the family could continue to ride together. If everyone had a banner day without a tip over, all scores are designed to be zero late points until the last three or so mile section. This is where we bump up the speed average to cause a few late points for the kids and beginner women so that they can be seperated for placement in there respective class. In the family portion of the enduro, this has always been typical of the last "test section". A timekeeper enduro has the same exact last "test section" to seperate class placement.
TRH has put a ton of thought in keeping the concept for a family enduro the same, but begin teaching the new re-start format. The only difference is that you do not need the timekeeping equipment to achieve the same family fun.

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