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#519357 - 12/02/11 03:31 PM Advice needed from a new-ish racer
454 Racing Offline
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Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 127
Hey everyone, so this has been on my mind since the first and only time I've raced mud(so far), it would be easy to get advice from older racers but I want advice from someone a little closer to my age and size on this:
The last time I raced in mud I was having a problem keeping my front wheel straight and it really wore on my arms after a while, I was mostly having issues with the spots that were kind of just sloppy loose mud. In that kind of mud would I just treat it like sand and sit further back and gun it to keep the wheel higher or do I sit further forward and keep the throttle and try to dig the wheel in a little? It was my first time in the mud on a bike so I haven't had the time to work out a system and with the lack of heavy enough rain I don't have many chances to so any advice is really helpful.
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#519367 - 12/02/11 04:00 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: 454 Racing]
CRFaggie96 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 161
Loc: Spring, TX
Hey, James!

In mud and sand the goal is to get the front tire up and "floating" on top of the ground, this way it can track straight and your if your weight is on the rear tire, you can dig and get the power down.

You could possibly try to stiffen the front suspension to keep the front tire on top. That is why on sand tracks the pros stiffen the suspension and on hard tracks they soften the suspension. Just practice. Are you talking about the mud at goertz? That was so brutal because it was mud ontop of sand.

Keep you weight back, grip with your knees and your body, and power through. I hope this helps a litte.
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#519370 - 12/02/11 04:09 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: CRFaggie96]
454 Racing Offline
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Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 127
Yes at Goertz! I had fun the entire time (including overheating the engine a bit and stalling in the river at the same time and having to wait for the engine to cool for almost half an hour) but when it was over I just felt like I could have done so much better at keeping a general direction and that maybe that would've helped keep me from getting bogged down in the river. Not to say I wasn't happy I got the holeshot(and then fell on the second and third turn hahaha)and finished the race but I still felt I could have done better. Much appreciated! grin

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#519375 - 12/02/11 04:40 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: 454 Racing]
CaD11 Offline
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Registered: 08/19/11
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Loc: Middle, Onowhere
Floating is not the key, you need to soften you front spring rate and make the rebound stiffer, when your riding mud you want your front end to track through the slick stuff, not slide on the top,
keep your hand on the front brake so your slowly riding it an be patient, that's the key, be patient
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#519376 - 12/02/11 04:44 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: CaD11]
CRFaggie96 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 161
Loc: Spring, TX
Connor, you are right, I forgot about the rebound.

A good front tire will help as well.
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'10 YZ250

TORCS racing #96
TRH racing #796

Thanks to: Dunlop, Works Connection, SPY Optic, Acerbis, Leatt, and Twin Air

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#519378 - 12/02/11 04:47 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: CRFaggie96]
CRFaggie96 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 161
Loc: Spring, TX
In soft stuff like sand, I keep my weight toward the back and power through the thick stuff. Having suspension too stiff will make your front wishy-washy in some turns. Just be calm and patient.
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'10 YZ250

TORCS racing #96
TRH racing #796

Thanks to: Dunlop, Works Connection, SPY Optic, Acerbis, Leatt, and Twin Air

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#519389 - 12/02/11 05:54 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: CRFaggie96]
454 Racing Offline
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Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 127
I'm pretty okay in sand as long as it isn't deep sand in a hard turn (like the second turn after the start at the Rd11 Rusty's race) I was just wondering on the comparison of the two because if there was anything relateable between the two in driving and if I could learn mud somewhat from sand I could advance quicker at being good in mud being that we run into sand so much more. I wish I had front brakes at Goertz! Blew a fork seal in practice saturday and had maybe 1/4 of the front brakes I had during the beginning. That's all fixed now but what an adventure that weekend became.

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#519397 - 12/02/11 06:38 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: 454 Racing]
CRFaggie96 Offline
Gang Member

Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 161
Loc: Spring, TX
What class are you racing next year james?
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'10 YZ250

TORCS racing #96
TRH racing #796

Thanks to: Dunlop, Works Connection, SPY Optic, Acerbis, Leatt, and Twin Air

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#519423 - 12/02/11 11:01 PM Re: Advice needed from a new-ish racer [Re: CRFaggie96]
454 Racing Offline
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Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 127
Sport D

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