Rules are up for the 2010 series.I am open to any suggestions or opinions.Classes and fees are also posted as well as TT schedule.

Something to think about. The restart rule standard with AMA and other motorcycle quad sanctions is two completed laps to go to a single file restart. Less than two it goes back to the original starting grid, with the offending riders on the penalty line, their original grid positions left open. AMA uses a staggerd grid to avoid the previous multiple crash on the start with a nose to tail line.

Keeping the rules standard with AMA is a simple way to go, and then everyone is on the same format from track to track. Keeping the rules standard to one book eventually helps keep confusion and arguments from happening with traveling riders from other areas.

I agree,it would be nice if we were on the same rules,classes, and tech requirements.course it does no good if the track officials don't enforce them or are inconsistent.These are my track rules and I will consistently enforce them!As for out of town racers,you should always check the tech requirments and class rules before showing up to the track.Also,that's what riders meetings are for.
Not trying to be difficult,just think trying to make improvements where I see fit.
Ryan,RDS

AMEN!!!

I have a question can someone answer it then I will make my spill.

I see AMA rules ect. but when I go to AMA web site I can not find that flat track quads and karts are apart of that organization. Are they? Are they NOT? I see ATV Moto.

KARTS HAVE 3 OR 4 SET OF RULES IKF, WKA ,KART ,AKRA , UAS, JUST DEPENDS ON THE TRACK ON WHAT RULES THEY RUN AND SOME TRACKS RUN THERE OWN RULES

http://www.ama-cycle.org/rulebooks/

http://www.ama-cycle.org/rulebooks/2010/AMARacing_rulebook10_Web_TR.pdf
AMA Track Racing Only Rule Book Includes the proper name Dirt Track which some in this part of the country call Flattrack.

The rules for Karts for the AMP Series are at: http://karts.ampown.com

Well if your not a "member" of a certain association then you are not govern to those rules, right? As I read the AMA web site I only see 2 tracks that are "members" of AMA in OK. Neither one of those tracks offer flat track racing. Each track can run there own rules if they are NOT a member and run it there own way but being consistant would be great. We all know that each track promoter/track owner wants to run it the way that best fits the supporters/riders of that track.


I say start a organization United States Flattrack Association (USFA) have a president, vice, sec, treas, and have a state director for each state. Tracks start running qualifers/point based races for the "Real" National Championship (all states come together) at the end of each season, allow each track to run 1 double point race, include a state race in each state for triple points. Don't run races on the same week day as everyone else, work together. Have 2 different seasons a winter and summer and series. Have a nice size purse for the state point leader for pro and nice reward for am and youth, start races based on the point system not draws. The more races you race the more points you get the better starts you get the more races make ect. ect. ect.

That is my spill make a plan for the state come together make it happen for the riders, tracks and fans!

I have only been promoting races in four states since 1982, so I don't know it all, but what I do know is fairly basic economics. I learned under Curley Sutton starting in 1965 corner working turn one. Curley promoted races at the Tulsa Speedway, Tulsa Pavillion, John Zink 1/2 Mile, Thunder Bird Park in Foyil, Tulsa Ramblers track, Dutch Myers group on south Memorial, Curley's track in Catoosa and Vera Speedway.

AMP uses the AMA rule book as the basic Race Meet Rules, with amendments to some rules. Same as BooKoo Arenacross did and other race organizations that are not AMA Sanctioned. AMA has been in existence since 1905. There are Districts and Regionals, Nationals already in place. Biggest problem in being AMA Sanction is the high cost of purchasing their required Liability Insurance for the fans, it does not cover the participants. Majority of Venues and Racetracks already have that coverage in place, and the AMA coverage is on top of an existing expense.

The AMA Local District Office for each region which are designated by a letter Oklahoma being G. If a number of tracks were to become AMA Sanctioned, makes the scheculing decisions at the annual District Meeting and other rules governing such. Since there are so few interested in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas, that has not happened over the past 30+ years that I remember. If it were popular, then perhaps one would see justification of the added expense, as it stands the added expense is more than the profits the shows produce today. Promoter in Texas tried being AMA Semi Pro Sanctioned, but dropped it the second year do to loss of income from the event due to that added expense.

Keep in mind you are also asking the participants to bear an additional expense of being a member of said organization and paying dues etc. That has not been accepted by the majority of racers in Oklahoma recently. Not sure if one could push a required membershipo process through in these rough economic times.

No, you do not need to be a member of the AMA to abide by the rules written in their rule book, just as a large number of Outlaw Car tracks use IMCA and USAC rules to govern their classes and race format. Using existing rules, that have been written and changed by the AMA Congress each season over the course of several decades makes much more sense than attempting to write an entire rule book from scratch.

I do know that being consistent with written rules across the Nation makes more sense than writting rules tha no other organization use. That is unless one is trying to keep their racers at their track by maiing non-compliant tech rules.

OK so AMP is not a sanctioned organization you go by AMA rules and modify them they way you see fit.

Thank you for explaining how AMA works. So as you stated AMA is not popular? "If it were popular, then perhaps one would see justification of the added expense, as it stands the added expense is more than the profits the shows produce today. Promoter in Texas tried being AMA Semi Pro Sanctioned, but dropped it the second year do to loss of income from the event due to that added expense."

As you stated above, "Keep in mind you are also asking the participants to bear an additional expense of being a member of said organization and paying dues etc. That has not been accepted by the majority of racers in Oklahoma recently. Not sure if one could push a required membership process through in these rough economic times." I am not sure you read my post clearly I never expressed or insinuated that participants or tracks need to be a member of AMA or said organization. What I said is start your own organization, have your own rules, set your own fee's or NOT, make it friendly to all riders, tracks and fans. The association does not need to be a money maker. The tracks need to make some to offset the cost but the association does not need to be the money maker. Set a fee that is conducive to making it happen for the riders, tracks and fans. If the riders, tracks and fans see that you put back into the sport they don't mind putting the time and money in. Take care of them they will take care of the rest. They just want to know what am I going to get out of it. After all if it were not for the riders and fans we would not be in business.

Again, the flat track community needs to come together and figure out what it will take to make Oklahoma be the place to race. After that happens other states will want to join your organization and you will have the best without all the bureaucracy that comes with big organizations. You want to be the best racer, race against the best, race at the best tracks and be affiliated with the best organizations!