6. The TORN series will consist of 10 events with one drop allowed for all classes (including Pro). All classes must
race at least 7 events to be eligible for year end awards. Riders who race ALL 10 races will receive an extra 6
points added to their year end points.

So with this copied directly from the rule book about the extra 6 points in question, how does a rider who was not on a line and gets a DNF qualify for the 6 bonus points. If I understand this right you should be able to look at standings and see a finish every raceto recieve the extra points. I looked at the standings from the weekend and notice a couple of Riders who have a 0 for a race and yet got 6 points. Just like th last line reads "Riders who race ALL 10 races will receive an extra 6 points added to their year end points." Do you not have to be on a starting line and ride a lap to get counted as a racer????
2. In order to receive finishing points, a rider must finish the minimum amount of time unassisted, and have his/her
finish recorded by a TORN official. Minimum amount of time consists of 50% of your timed event.
3. Racers must start the race and make one complete lap recorded by an official to receive 5 points.

To me these rules make it clear that a rider needs to have actualy raced the event to be awarded the extra 6 points

TORN does a great job at following the rule book and making a great series to race in I just don't understand how some riders got the extra 6 points with voids in their standings

I questioned a rule myself yesterday but I don't run the show so oh well!

I was also looking for how ties are broken and did not find that in the rule book.

Is there a more complete rule book? If so where can I find it? Thanks again for a great race season I sure be back again.

i think ties are broken on based results (most wins then most seconds and so on), but i could be wrong on that too.

If you completed one lap but did not finish you got a DNF and recieved 5 points. Some of the people that got a DNF signed up to race, but did not, did not get any points. That would be considered a DNS (did not start) but TORN doesn't give a DNS. In the rule book it says Riders who race all 10 races will receive an extra 6 points added to their year end points. Last time I checked if you sign up but don't go to the line, that means you didn't race.

Rules should be the ones "running the show";that is the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.

This is not an opinion about any specific rule.

Question from Josh is reasonable, based on TORN's rule copied on his post.

Ball is in TORN's court.

I know what they are asking about but you also have to look at the situation if a rider no shows thats one thing but if a rider shows and pays and has a spectator take them out before the race that is totally different. I think it was a good battle for the championship this year.

In the rules it states: Riders who race ALL 10 races will receive an extra 6 points. Know were does it state if Rider shows up and pay's his entry fee get hurt on Saturday's Sportsman Race. Can't race Sunday Pro Race. Will get 6 bonus point for racing all 10 Pro races, yes he raced all 10 Sportsman races(which doesn't show DNF/5 on race 207)and he raced ALL 10 Events. Bottom line he DID NOT Race all 10 Pro Races period! Bryan even Raced Freestone with a broken arm and Gordon with the Flu to make sure he raced all 10 Pro Races. I understand if Ryan wouldn't have gotten hurt on Saturday he would have raced on Sunday. If the Rule Read Riders who race ALL 10 Events will receive an extra 6 points then Ryan wins but it doesn't. Torn stick to YOUR RULE book and change the rule at the first race not the last race do the right thing Brian Storrie WON Pro Championship based off of 2009 TORN Rule Book.

Chris Gryder

I don't know the answer but I would be willing to bet that talking to the TORN crew in person or by phone will get you better results. Doing it on the forum is not the way to go about it.

I think they already made up their minds!

A professional organization such as TORN should never have to answer a request for information or for a reply related to their rules. I loved racing this year and it is displeasing to see this play out on a public forum. However at the same time I believe that members of an organization have the ability to question its rules if they are not clearly stated or implemented.

I agree and also disagree with this post. First, I disagree that this was even posted. If you have an issue with the results or the organization "CALL" do not post. People can get worked up over an error. Bring it their attention. I see other issues with the results. I am emailing Angie about what I have found. TORN has done a great job getting the results posted as fast as possible. I can handle a few mistakes now and then. You also have to realize they may not be watching these forums right after the race. They have a lot of work to do to tear the site down and clean up.

On the other side I agree we can question the rules but not in public, CALL if you have an issue. Everyone knows Angie and Curtis are two of the most approachable people that I know.

The main people who should be handling this issue is the people involved not outsiders.

I will get off my soap box. But one last time if you have an issue call!! Curtis 817-999-9820 or Angie 817-999-9392.

Thanks

Todd
590W

Well said Dirtnerd.
All prize money awarded appropriatley.
So I am assuming it's the "bragging rights"
and that white #1 in question.
Both guys are standup guys, Brian has been there,
Ryan learning from a "Champ".
1b and 1r works for me.

I'm sure that Curtis and Angie are discussing this as we speak. They are as fair as anyone.
If it helps, I see some guys in my class that received the extra six points that shouldn't have????

I understand Josh's point. However, Ryan has also raced with broken bones, etc. And the reason he was unable to race the Pro Race in question is because of a spectator crossing the track in front of him during the Sportsman race. So, now one could say he is being penalized due to TORN officials not making it clear that spectators need to stay OFF the track. I like both of these guys and I'm happy for either one of them to win. But let the officials decide.

Yourhero, you can't blame Ryans accident on the TORN officials. They can't be everywhere at once. Ryan was in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Stuff happens and that's just part of racing.

Ryan was racing on the track, he was in the right place at the wrong time.

Are you serious?

So if I tripped coming out of my camper or became very sick at the track and could not race,would I still get the six points just because I was there? Bet not!

you can also change bikes when you jump the start and your bike breaks even if you take the green flag for the start on the broken bike!

You are missing my point. I'm just saying there's an argument to everything. Let the officials decide how they wish to mediate.

sorry guys and gal's TORN"S answere to this questions is under pro standings.Crongrats to both men on a hard faught season.

OK Cecil...I give up. I can not find "Pro Standings"

P-Cay, I think Cecil meant that TORN's answer is what they put in the final standings on the website. Not answer within this forum.

Awwww Thanks Greg!

either you where trying pull my leg or you need to back away from the wine bottle P.k

Watchit Cecil,
She'll sick them Basset Hound's on ya!

HAHA! No Cecil I thought there was a thread named Pro Standings.
Greg knew what my question was.