Event Schedule for Saturday November 21, 2009
OK Corral Indoor Arena - Harrah, OK

Round #2 7th Annual AMP Outlaw Winter Natioanls 2009-2010
Indoor Short Track Race Series

l. Gates Open 4pm
2. Registration Open 4:30pm Close 6pm
3. Hot Laps 5:30pm
4. Riders Meeting 7:pm
5. Opening Ceremonies 7:10pm
6. Heat Races 7:15pm
7. Intermission
8. Dash For Cash
9. B Features / Semis
10. A Features / Mains
11. Awards available in Registration 15 minutes after each Feature, following the 15 minute protest time.
12. Building closes at or before midnight.

Regular Points Race

we have a bone stock 125 roketa quad complete with timing chain rattle obviously not competetive with the big bore kits and manual clutches these kids are now running. is there still a racer friendly class for us? he is 10 now and wants to get back into this

Hey Patrick,you make a good point!The 125cc Extreme,Roketa,Baja,and so on,as long as they are left stock they can run the 90/125 stock class.Once modded,these all have to run the 90/125 cc mod.I am addimate about having the right bikes/quads in the right class.These quads mentioned above have no buisness being in the 50adv/50 begineer classes as this obviously makes it no fun for the kid on that is actually riding a 50 or maybe a 90 but is a true beginner.And Im sure Blake will be competetive no matter what hes piloting!!!Give me a shout bud.

Thanx,Ryan

thanks for the reply ryan. after blake had surgery on his arm we used the thing to push the race cars around . he wants to get back into it but I dont want to waste our time if he has to run against those calliber of kids. to me no payout should equal fun.I mean id rather not spend a fortune to run for a trophy.Does AMP still have a stock class for him as well? Happy for what you are doing for the sport.

Bob needs to read this and answer your question. Ultimately it's his decision, and I admittingly don't know much about the smaller quads.

we would like to support both tracks , but will ultimately search out the one that we can feel equally matched. After all these kids should be able to come home at the end of the night wanting to return. The kids hold the future to any sport. We did attend the last AMP show, and had a great time . nice to see old friends.Looking forward to visiting RED DIRT Speedway impressed with what the people in the pits were saying about it, as well as the time Flyin Ryan took to speak with us .

Sorry for the delay I was in Houston, Texas at JEmCo Exhaust systems yesterday and today, and then at Texas World Speedway this afternoon and just got back in from the trip. Easy answer is to check the current equipment rules:

2009-2010 ATV Equipment Rules for the 7th Annual AMP Outlaw Winter Nationals

ATV Quad Classes
A = Advanced Riders B = Beginner or entry level novice Riders
ATV Quad Youth $20 Pit Pass is first class entry $10 for additional classes. Pee Wee racers can enter both the B and A classes. These classes are to increase seat time, experience and allow for additional track time for the youth riders.

50cc BB Beginner No engine over 50cc allowed, stock appearing. Designed for entry level riders 3 year old minimum age training wheels permitted in this class only.

50cc B Up to 50c 2 stroke and up to 110cc 4 stroke Modified engines allowed, Designed for Beginner Riders

50cc A Up to 50c 2 stroke and up to 110cc 4 stroke Modified engines allowed, Designed for Advanced Riders

85cc B Up to 90cc Two Stroke up to 125cc Four Stroke ~ All Clutch Transmission Combinations Allowed ~ Stock Appearing Engine

85cc A Up to 90cc Two Stroke up to 150cc Four Stroke ~ All Clutch Transmission Combinations Allowed ~ Modifications Allowed

95 Mods A
95 Mod Class: Up to 95cc Two Stroke - Up to 150cc Four Stroke. Semi Automatic clutch shifters and or manual clutch / transmission engines. Engine mods unlimited, must remain normally aspriated on gasoline.

Blaster Class: Up to 200ccs Two Stroke - Up to 300cc Four Stroke. Engine mods unlimited, must remain normally aspriated on gasoline.

Blaster up to 300cc 4 stroke A

250 2 stroke up to 450 four stroke

Open: Any Production Engine Clutch Tranmission Combination

ATV Quad Pro-Am Money Classes

250 2 stroke up to 450 four stroke

Open: Any Production Engine Clutch Tranmission Combination

While one may offer a "Stock Appearing Class", the term Stock opens a giant can of worms in so far as Tech, Protests, Engine Tear Downs etc.

With Karting such as the Blue Motor Class, the claimer rule is easy, as they all run the same style and mostly the same brand of engines that sell brand new complete with fuel tank, ignition, starter, carb and exhaust with a 2 year warranty, for less than $150 at Pep Boys et al. Motorcycle and ATV engines are not available as complete assemblies from the dealers, unless one buys a complete motorcycle or ATV, or orders each part separate form the spare parts catalogue.

With ATVs and Motorycles there are numerous brands/models and new ones are designed an on the showroom floor every four to six months with today's CAD CAM manufacturing capabilities. An Asian model may sell for $1,000 while a European brand may sell for $4,000. Hard to place a single value on an engine claim with that disparity in the values of the machines.

What was a stock engine last month, may be surpassed with engineering of cylinder head design, camshaft timing, ignition timing changes by the factories overnight.

Much eaiser to enforce a Stock Appearing Class Engine rule or an Unlimited Modification rule. Doubt if many are totally stock, and the machines are rarely stock as they have differnt wheels, tires and suspension on most.

These youth classes are designed as Sportsman events, awarding trophies only. Yet another way to keep this level of competiton to a fun status and not professional. Unless one has a full time volunteer tech inspector at each and every event, and participants are willing to dissaemble their engines for inspection upon request, the stock appearing or modified classifications seem to be the best fit.

This type of equipment modification discussions can be found on any number of motorsports forums World Wide.

We made the equipment rules based on the numbers of participants in the divisions, in the particular market where the events were being produced over our past 25 years of operation. Those classes and rules were decided upon based in part on the popularity of the machines being entered over the previous seasons.

AMA and ATVA and other Sanctions/Organizations have dozens of more classes/division that may or may not run at a specific Sanctioned event. The promoters choose which classes they want to offer at each of those events, and publish a list. Since we are not under a Sanction agreement with any outside organization, and are an independent as are 90% of all Powersports Tracks and all Micro Sprint Tracks in Oklahoma and most across the U.S. today, we set our own division/class rules. Many are based in part on other organizations guidelines, but mostly on the popularity of the numbers in a Division/Class in the particular market.

A few years ago the Micro Tracks were sanctioned and ran rules created by the NMMA, but that organization went defunct as they could not keep up with the ever changing performance equipment available on the market, the changes in fuel management from the OEMs. The track owners determined there was no need for their participants to pay a National Organization membership dues when they got zero in return. So the track owners in Oklahoma all chose to be independent Outlaw tracks. Majority of other states tracks followed the lead of Oklahoma and the NMMA National organization closed up shop.

Same thing here with motorcycle racing, one does not see the AMA Sanction on many events. Not needed, and the membership dues never seem to return in any fashion. CMRA was at one time Sanctioned by CCS/FUSA Ft Worth/Chicago. Membership dues totaled $125,000 annual, and the members and the local club never saw a dime return in equipment or other forms. So they elected to become independent. Collected the same dues and used them to purchase equipment, a $30,000 AMB/IT Electronic Timing and Scoring system, Ford F450 Truck and a Pace Trailer to carry all the equipment in, a Ford Ranger Pickup Truck used for a Crash Recovery vehicle, 15 sets of Corner Worker Flags-Chairs-EZups-Coolers-Radio Communication, Full set of Radios/Chargers for the entire staff, Lap Tops for Race Control, Announcer, Timing and Scoring, Tech, TV Monitors for display around the Paddock area, Coolers and equipment for use to make lunches and supply beverages for the staff members/corner workers, Horns, PA Equipment, FM Transmitter, Portable PA for Awards Winners Circle Ceremonies, etc.

Bottom line was the dues that were going to a National Sanction, who had little or no interest in the racing five plus states away, never came back to those who were paying in. Independent clubs and racetracks and event coordinators have a much larger advantage over a National Sanctioned event/track/club as illustrated above.

It is extremely hard to run strict guidlines on what is "stock" and what is "modified."Thats what the cc breakdown of the classes are for in atv and motorcycle racing.And like Bob said 90% of the tracks are independantly owned and operated.What I define as a stock cc class is no bore and no stroke.Engine must be in that cc range for specified class.Other than that,modifications are open.We do have a volunteer tech at every race and should the need arise,we will pull it down.If found illegal,the rider would forfeit winnings and points as well as banned for 2 races.There is a $150 protest fee,and if the motor is found illegal the protester would recieve his money back.If found legal the rider in question would keep the cash to put his/her engine back together.
We ripped all 3 Blue Motors down to the cranks this past Sunday and all were found legal.But the top three go directly to tech following the feature immediately.Just dont usually go quite that far down.What Im sayin is I expect parents to put their kids in the proper classes for age and skill level.And Pro riders to keep honest as well.

im assuming your answer for blake is the 85cc b class is that correct? if so we will start mounting tires. hope the thing last . just want him to get afair shake. thanks guys for your time.