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#230367 - 04/27/06 12:31 PM Converting offroad to Dual Sport
OldMike Offline
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Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 18
Hi Guys,

Well, I bought my bike a year ago (it was a leftover 2004 DRZ 400E) and then hurt my back. My back is feeling better, so I decided to finally throw my Baja dual sport kit on.

Now, is where I am confused. I went to Motor Vehicle (forget what it's called here in Texas) in the Colony. They were nice, but were not too knowledgeable about how to do the conversion. At first there was some confusion as to how to do it (they started telling me that I needed to get a new Certificate of Origin stating that it was not for off road only!).

They finally told me that I needed to get a white safety form filled out by an inspection station. After I got that filled out then they would give me a plate.

I was feeling pretty happy that I knew what I was doing. Then I went over to Suzuki in Plano, and spoke to them about it. They told me that I needed to bring the white form to a police station, then they would do the inspection. What strikes me as odd about that is that the fields on the form are:

Year,Make, Model, My Name
Motor Vehicle Inspection#, Name of Inspection Station, Date of Inspection, Signature of Inspector.

This does seem like it should be filled out by an inspection station. The Suzuki dealership seemed knowledgeable about this - but what I was told seems wrong.

Can anybody give me the real scoop on how to do this in Texas. The bike is ready to be inspected - I just don't know where to bring it in order to get my plate!

Thanks for any help.


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#230368 - 04/27/06 01:41 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: OldMike]
dzl850 Offline
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 42
Loc: Tomball, TX
OldMike,
I am probably going to get corrected here but I will try and give you a little help.

I just got my CRF450X thru the process. I had a Manufacturers Certificate of Origin which stated "for off road use only", and I had purchased the bike from a dealer in Oklahoma. In my case I had go to the vehicle registration office to apply for a Off Road Use only title. I then went and got my bike inspected (after adding the kit, tires, etc.). You need to make sure and get what they call the "green sheet" from the inspector which is actually a white piece of paper with the inspection info.

Once you receive your off road title, armed with this and inspection paperwork you can go back to the vehicle registration office and re-apply for a standard title. Once that is in the system (48 hours) you can go back and purchase the plate.

After all that is said, I have heard that this does vary according to who you deal with and what county you are in. I have a friend in Harris County that DS'd his KTM and he had to go thru the process you are talking about. Once he had his DS kit on he had to go to the DPS. The DPS has a very specific group that does this type of work, and he had to have them certify the bike. Once that was done, he could then get the bike inspected.

If it was me, I would go to the vehicle registration office and apply for the"off road title". Then verify with them that once that title is received and that you have your inspection sticker you can apply for a standard title. Have them contact their supervisor if necessary. Be aware that different supervisors will provide different information. If you can get it in writing, so much the better.

I have been told that if your MCO is from a Texas dealer and does not state "off road only", you can apply for a standard title and receive your plate all at one time. I am going to try this on my KTM.

Brian
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#230369 - 04/27/06 05:26 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: dzl850]
OldMike Offline
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Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 18
Thanks DZL.

I've been trying to call the DPS, but can't get anyone to answer on the number I found in the phone book. I called a couple of inspection stations around here, and they said they can fill out the white form I got. I guess I will give that a try and see how it goes.

Can't wait to get my plates - this has been a long time coming....


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#230370 - 04/28/06 01:02 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: OldMike]
ta2240 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 934
Loc: Magnolia, Texas
Law Enforcement are not involved in the process at all so the Inspection guy was wrong on that. Also he is the person that fills out the white form/"Green Sheet". After you find an inspection station to give you that sheet after you pass inspection do not go the a County Tax office. Most of them have no idea what to do. I highly recommend going directly to you local State Title office. They have and should know everything. If you have the "Green Sheet" and you current title and inspection then they will give you your plates then.
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#230371 - 04/30/06 04:47 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: ta2240]
Maladjusted Offline
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Registered: 11/17/05
Posts: 222
Loc: Longview, TX
Here is my experience... (Gregg County)
Purchased 650R for DS conversion.
- Had bike inspected at local inspection station. Everything good to go. Completed Green Sheet.
- Went to local Tax Office for title change and plates. The young lady behind the counter kindly removed the "off-road use only" notation from the title (at my suggestion) as bike is now suitable for rode use (see inspection sticker...).
- Paid taxes and registration fee(s) and walked out with plates/tags.

Nothing to it.

I know each county will be different because of the people and the amount of experience they have with this sort of thing. If you act like you know what THEY should do, they usually will.
Otherwise, baffle 'em with BS.

Good luck...CJ
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#230372 - 04/30/06 11:35 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Maladjusted]
xrcajun Offline
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Registered: 01/29/05
Posts: 69
Loc: Houston TX
In reply to:

Here is my experience... (Gregg County)
Purchased 650R for DS conversion.
- Had bike inspected at local inspection station. Everything good to go. Completed Green Sheet.
- Went to local Tax Office for title change and plates. The young lady behind the counter kindly removed the "off-road use only" notation from the title (at my suggestion) as bike is now suitable for rode use (see inspection sticker...).
- Paid taxes and registration fee(s) and walked out with plates/tags.

Nothing to it.

I know each county will be different because of the people and the amount of experience they have with this sort of thing. If you act like you know what THEY should do, they usually will.
Otherwise, baffle 'em with BS.

Good luck...CJ




CJ how did she go about removing the notation exactly. It is printed on the title. Did she just white it out or what? I've got two more bikes to do and that sure would speed up the process.

Thanks,
Jim
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#230373 - 05/01/06 12:43 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: xrcajun]
2fst4u Offline
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Registered: 09/18/03
Posts: 202
He's going to get a new title from the state. She removed the notation on the computer.

The "new" title will not say "offroad"


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#230374 - 05/03/06 01:18 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: 2fst4u]
mick Offline
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Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 10
Loc: groves,tx.
is there any way to do sport a bike with no title?

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#230375 - 05/04/06 01:05 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: mick]
Hoop Moderator Offline


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Posts: 1830
Loc: Beaumont TX
you have to prove it's not stolen, have the police do a VIN search, and trace ownership back to the last title that was issued, or find the MSO, or file for a missing title. Go to the courthouse.
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#230376 - 05/04/06 02:47 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: 2fst4u]
Maladjusted Offline
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Registered: 11/17/05
Posts: 222
Loc: Longview, TX
In reply to:

He's going to get a new title from the state. She removed the notation on the computer.

The "new" title will not say "offroad"






Exactamundo...

I would just kindly ask them to remove the "offroad only" notation as bike is now "streetworthy".

Sorry for the delayed response. I've been riding...

CJ
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#230377 - 05/04/06 09:44 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Maladjusted]
xrcajun Offline
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Registered: 01/29/05
Posts: 69
Loc: Houston TX
In reply to:

In reply to:

He's going to get a new title from the state. She removed the notation on the computer.

The "new" title will not say "offroad"






Exactamundo...

I would just kindly ask them to remove the "offroad only" notation as bike is now "streetworthy".

Sorry for the delayed response. I've been riding...

CJ





YOU'VE BEEN RIDING! (Why I oda)
Thanks I'm going to give that one heck of an effort.
Jim
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#230378 - 05/08/06 02:00 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: OldMike]
Noonanator Offline
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Registered: 01/04/01
Posts: 196
Hey guys, on a related note.
I just got my KTM 450 EXC street legal. I have done this once before with a DRZ 400E. I hit some new snags this time. The insurance co.( Progressive) ran my VIN and said it was "not an acceptable model". I also tried Dairyland( same thing happened). It appears that insurance companies are now rating vehicles based upon what the VIN tells them. Since my VIN said it was not listed as streel legal bike, they could not quote me an insurance premium. Fortunatley my agent found a way to circumvent this and got me a policy. She said the Ins. co. may want to see the certificate of inspection, so I made a copy. She wanted to see it( the certificate) intially, but I explained that without insurance I could not obtain one.
Also had some trouble with getting the title to read street legal. The new Travis Co. courthouse computer program is not set up to handle this type of situation, so the clerk and supervisor had to work hard to make it happen.
Of course all this happened 11th hour as I wanted to be street legal for the KTM adventure ride.
Bobby N

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#230379 - 05/08/06 05:12 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Noonanator]
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Registered: 12/21/00
Posts: 661
Loc: Austin / Round Rock, Texas
Thanks for the update Bobby......Maybe Williamson County could be easier to deal with.....Sounds like you guys had a good time in Cloudcroft, as usual.....Bajarat, down in Galveston, was telling me he met you guys up there....Sorry I couldn't make it this year, we were riding up in AZ that weekend.

Steve
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#230380 - 05/09/06 07:37 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Noonanator]
OldMike Offline
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Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 18
Hey Noonanator,

It's funny the only thing that didn't cause me a problem was insurance. I got a Progressive policy without any questions asked for the DRZ400E!

So I am about to finally go and get my plate. Do I need to actually tell the clerks to have the title read street legal? I am assuming if they give me a plate that it would be street legal?? Can you actually get a plate and have the title still state offroad use?

I was planning on taking the course of action of trying to ask the least amount of questions and just trying to get my plate. With what I have experienced so far, I'm afraid any other questions I ask may cause more delays in this process.

Thanks,
Mike

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#230381 - 05/10/06 01:37 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: OldMike]
Noonanator Offline
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Registered: 01/04/01
Posts: 196
Mike,
each time, I have just handed the offroad title, insurance card and certificate of inspection to the county liscense clerks. They will have you sign an application for title. The new title ( street legal) will be sent in few weeks. They'll charge you a registration fee and new title fee and give you a liscense plate.
When I was trying to get my DRZ plated, the liscense clerk claimed it wasn't do-able. After conferring with her supervisor, they actually came up with the official tx. titling(sp?) manual. It had a section on making a off-road m/c street legal. The procedures were listed and pretty much as discussed in the forum.
Bobby N


Edited by Noonanator (05/10/06 02:17 AM)

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#230382 - 05/10/06 02:30 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: XR650Rocketman]
Noonanator Offline
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Registered: 01/04/01
Posts: 196

"Thanks for the update Bobby......Maybe Williamson County could be easier to deal with.....Sounds like you guys had a good time in Cloudcroft, as usual.....Bajarat, down in Galveston, was telling me he met you guys up there....Sorry I couldn't make it this year, we were riding up in AZ that weekend."


MIssed you at Cloudcroft, Steve, but I'm sure Az. was fun.
We did meet a couple of guys from the Galveston area. It turned out to be an excellent ride. A little dusty at times, so you had to spread out. We rode a few new trails. I think I have covered almost all of the listed trails now. We also meet a guy from Timberon who rides trails and fireroads all over the mountains up there.
At one point, it snowed on us. Thick snow and dust make for a dirty snow fall, kinda strange and cool( literally).
The KTM team gave us a great dinner and slide show and lunch on Sunday. Many thanks to them.
Bobby

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#230383 - 04/10/07 01:56 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: OldMike]
bjeepin2 Offline
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Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 3
i just did a 06 drz400 in LA just put a light kit on it with a horn and break lights went to the dep sheriff office got a inspection took it to the dmv and got the title changed and a tag.
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#230384 - 04/25/07 10:38 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: bjeepin2]
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Registered: 12/21/00
Posts: 1830
Loc: Beaumont TX
Here's what I think you have to have to get an inspection sticker. (This is from memory, please correct me if I'm wrong on anything.)

* Horn. I do not think you will pass with a squeeze-type bicycle horn, I think it has to be DOT.
* Rear View mirror (1)
* Hi/Lo beam headlight. In Texas, you are not required to have a high-beam indicator light, although most kits come with one.
* Rear brake light / tail light / license plate light.
* In Texas, there is no requirement that the tail light has to stay on when the engine is off. (Most of the kits have a battery to keep the tail light on with the engine off.)
* Brake light is required to be actuated by rear brake only.
* Turn signals are not required, but if the bike is equipped with turn signals, they must be functional.
* DOT legal tires. Most non-DOT tires will have a stamp on the sidewall that says "NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE". I have found enforcement of this to be rather lax to say the least.
* Speedo / Odo are not required.
* Liability insurance
* Some place to mount the inspection sticker. Most bike shops will sell you an aluminum plate that goes behind the license plate. Have it already mounted on the bike before you go to get the sticker.
* You have to start the bike, get up to 15 MPH (or something like that), and be able to stop within so many feet. The inspection guy may do it for you, or not. Don't grab too much front brake, I've heard stories about the guy who's bike had been sitting up for a while, he took it in to get it inspected, and went over the handlebars when the front brake grabbed.

Anything else?
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#230385 - 04/26/07 06:00 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Hoop]
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Hoop, I just got 2 of my KTM MXC/EXC bikes done. Everything you said is correct, except the hi-low beam headlight was not needed. Otherwise, you hit the nail square on the head.
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#230386 - 04/28/07 04:25 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Tominator]
simpson61 Offline
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Registered: 09/02/05
Posts: 8
Loc: harlingen, texas
The high/low head light is required unless the bike is less than 250cc.
All inspection should have a manual motorcycle and motor-driven cycle chapter4 page4.
Chapter 4 page 18 head light requirements or this web sight
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/txmclaws.htm
As far as the paper work needed it all depends on your county and how hard the person behind the
counter wants to make it. You will need the green slip with your inspection.
Just plated a WR450 for my son (he's 14 years old we did a 100 mile loop sunday dirt and pavement don't tell TA2240 i know where he works) it took one hour for the lady to finish all the paper work so be ready.

This is the part of the web sight to look at.
Subch. M. ADDITIONALORALTERNATIVEEQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR MOTORCYCLES AND MOTOR-DRIVEN CYCLES

TRC §547.801.

LIGHTING EQUIPMENT.

(a) A motorcycle, including a motor-driven cycle, shall be equipped with:

(1) not more than two headlamps mounted at a height from 24 to 54 inches;

(2) at least one taillamp mounted at a height from 20 to 72 inches;

(3) a taillamp or separate lamp to illuminate the rear license plate that complies with the requirements of Sections 547.322(f) and (g);

(4) at least one stoplamp that complies with the requirements of Section 547.323(d); and

(5) at least one rear red reflector that complies with the requirements of Section 547.325(b) and may be included as a part of the taillamp.

(b) A motorcycle, other than a motor-driven cycle, shall be equipped with multiple-beam lighting equipment that produces:

(1) an uppermost distribution of light that reveals a person or vehicle at a distance of at least 300 feet ahead; and

(2) a lowermost distribution of light that:

(A) reveals a person or vehicle at a distance of at least 150 feet ahead; and

(B) is aimed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam on the motorcycle that is on a straight and level road under any condition of loading projects into the eyes of an approaching vehicle operator.

(c) A motor-driven cycle shall be equipped with:

(1) multiple-beam lighting equipment that complies with the requirements of Subsection (b); or

(2) single-beam lighting equipment that:

(A) emits light sufficient to reveal a person or vehicle:

(i) at a distance of at least 100 feet when the cycle is operated at a speed less than 25 miles per hour;

(ii) at a distance of at least 200 feet when the cycle is operated at a speed of 25 miles per hour or more; and

(iii) at a distance of at least 300 feet when the cycle is operated at a speed of 35 miles per hour or more; and

(B) is aimed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam from the lamp on a loaded cycle projects a beam higher than the level center of the lamp for a distance of 25 feet ahead.

(d) A motorcycle may not be operated at any time unless at least one headlamp on the motorcycle is illuminated. This subsection does not apply to a motorcycle manufactured before the model year 1975.


Kenny Simpson

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#230387 - 04/28/07 05:17 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: simpson61]
Tominator Offline
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I stand corrected. I guess I just got lucky... .

Then again, I haven't run a front license plate on my Texas trucks in 20 years, but that's a no-no if you read the book. All passed inspection without it, and I've never been ticketed for it. Again, just lucky I guess.....
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#230388 - 04/28/07 10:40 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Tominator]
simpson61 Offline
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Registered: 09/02/05
Posts: 8
Loc: harlingen, texas
Actually you don't even need a license plate to pass inspection just a license plate light. Most cops
I know just use not having the front as an excuse to stop you and most inspection stations do good
to check half of what they should and a lot of what they shouldn't in order to sell you something.

Kenny Simpson

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#230389 - 06/19/07 03:50 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: simpson61]
EnduroRdr Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 446
Loc: Tomball TX
Hey Mick, To answer your question:
Can you D/S a bike with out a title?

In short no. (at least not without a title) But you can get a title for your bike ease enough. (Then you can do it). Even that bike you scored cheap without any paperwork. (BUT IT MUST NOT BE STOLEN, THEY WILL RUN THE VIN) a bill of sale helps. What you need to do is get a title bond!
Actually we used the title bond method to get plates for bikes in Miss. for the past 20 years. I titled and plated several dirt only XRs or lost titlen bikes where you have no idea who the original owner was. Just do youself a favor and call teh DMV first and ask them to run teh VIN to make sure it was not stollen. In Miss. the bond cost about 50 - 100 bucks depending on the insurance agent. It about 100+ in TX (Shop around). Several years ago when I did it, your title bond simply listed on the Title the information you provided. Yes that's right! In other words If you called it a XR400 or an XL400 they didnt care. As long as you listed a make and model and a VIN. It also did not say "Not for Road Use"

Here is a link on Texas Title Bonds
http://www.lawrenceautotitle.com/FAQ1.htm

Once you get the title bond then just get your insurance, Inspection, and go get your plates!



Edited by enduro (06/19/07 03:57 AM)

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#230390 - 12/08/07 05:12 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: EnduroRdr]
EnduroRdr Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 446
Loc: Tomball TX
Ok I did my XR400 in Oct 2008 without a good Tx Title. Title bond was a hassle - It was not so easy like in MS or LA.

But if you already have a good TX title (offroad only) Then getting the plate is not very hard:
See other link:

http://www.texasoffroad.net/forum_php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dirtbike_tscec_public&Number=487540&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

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#230391 - 12/09/07 02:30 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: EnduroRdr]
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Registered: 03/14/02
Posts: 408
Loc: Austin
In reply to:

Ok I did my XR400 in Oct 2008 without a good Tx Title. Title bond was a hassle - It was not so easy like in MS or LA.



I'm very impressed with your ability to jump ahead in time and do that...should have had them change the law in early '08 to make it easier!
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#230392 - 12/10/07 04:02 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: DougRoost]
EnduroRdr Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 446
Loc: Tomball TX
It's that XR400! spins me into a time warp!

Kinda like these "off road stickers" we bought in Aug of 07 that are 08 stickers!

Sorry for the typo. Reg the bike in Oct 07 not 08.

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#230393 - 02/13/08 03:51 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: EnduroRdr]
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Registered: 04/24/07
Posts: 1
Loc: DFW
In reply to:

Ok I did my XR400 in Oct 2008 without a good Tx Title. Title bond was a hassle - It was not so easy like in MS or LA.

But if you already have a good TX title (offroad only) Then getting the plate is not very hard:
See other link:

http://www.texasoffroad.net/forum_php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dirtbike_tscec_public&Number=487540&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1




How did you title your XR without a good TX title? I don't have one for my XR4, and I'm about to start the process. Thanks for all the great info!

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#230394 - 02/15/08 05:21 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: cland72]
EnduroRdr Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 446
Loc: Tomball TX
I did my xr400 using a title bond (AKA Surety Bond), but in my case I had the original MSO - maybe it helped but probably not. Since it was from another state and was in someone else's name (the guy before the one I bought it from), the DMV lady said this was not helping my situation. She said I need to go get a "Surety Bond".
I submitted it to DMV anyway along with the bond and the other paperwork required.
What's the other paperwork you ask?

If you do not have a title you will need:

1) Form VTR-301 - this one is used to do a pencil tracing of the frame vin.
2) Form VTR-270 - can be used as an alternate if VTR-301 can not be used. ( I think 301 is better since it is a tracing. Your bonding agent will need this to be added in the surety bond paperwork that you take to DMV).
3) Form VTR-470 - Safety statement, when you get your inspection ask for the green sheet (they are actually no longer green) but the inspector should know that you will need an "out of state" inspection. ALSO - Have him also sign VTR-470 and you will have no problem at the DMV regardless which DMV you go to. Some will tell you all you need is a green sheet, yes at some DMV but if you include the 470 then it work at "ALL" DMV locations, - it's free, - use it! Inspections stations vary a lot! find a friendly one! If your Inspector is a "go by the book guy" your going to need DOT tires, and the rest of the stuff I'm listing later down this post. Ask around with the TON guys near you for friendly station.
4) Form VTR-40 - Odometer statement basically just right in a number and be sure to check box 2 that says "Odometer reading is not actual mileage' since its a dirt bike with a resettable odometer.
5) Form VTR-130-SB - This one you will have to get from the Bonding Insurance Agent (pick one) it's going to cost you $150.00 pretty much everywhere I've checked. Yellow pages under "Surety Bonds" or "Bonds - Surety".
6) Form-VTR-130-U You can down load this one and fill it out your self or you can stand in line and let the DMV hand it to you then be sent off to the side of the line while they help the next person in line and you fill it out there and wait some more until they get back to you. (If you don't like hanging out at DMV bring it already filled out so you don't get bumped out of line.)

Usually the hard part is getting your inspection done. For me that was easy, this guy never looked for DOT tires. He ask about blinkers but I was ready and showed him that Texas doesn't require them (Can you say - Custom Harley? Chopper shops all over Texas build them with out blinkers) Texans are very lucky. Thank God we don't have the same laws as California! There are some links below for more on this. But if he looks in the official book that all inspectors will have, all it will say is:
Hi/Lo Beam, Stop light and tail light, Horn (i used a 9v " Mega Horn " - I found one at local bicycle shop)- same as sold by Baja Designs, I have no battery on bike (all the horns I tried would not work on the a/c provided from stator), Mirror (again I use the smallest bicycle one I could find), It also says a License Plate light (clear part in tail light lens) although I didn't have that, I modified stock XR tail light to add brake light (it has an 1157 dual element bulb already you just need to solder another wire on the socket and run it through the rear brake switch), he never ask about clear part. You can get all the brake light stuff for your XR from www.BajaDesigns.com or http://www.procycle.us/main/dskit.htm both friendly places to shop that provide great telephone support help.
Again if inspector gives you trouble, go down the road to another inspector, but don't go to your motorcycle dealer unless your all up to par. They will surely know to look for DOT tires. (not that I advocate using full-on knobbies) Yea right! But in case you were not planning on buying new tires, go to your local neighborhood auto repair shop for the inspection. Or ask other D/S riders in your area for names of friendly inspection stations.

One more tid-bit: Since some time in 2006 the DMV will now use the NADA value for your tax base for a new registration. It doesn't matter what your bill of sale says. I had to pay taxes on 1300.00 value for a 96 XR400 even though I had a bill of sale for 500 (even notarized). The only other way around this is to have a letter from a "state recognized" vehicle appraiser (key work State Recognized) stating the value is other than the NADA. Problem is the inspection costs @ 100-500 dollars is more than the taxes for anything valued under 5 grand. So for your XR400 be ready to shell out another 150 bucks to DMV.
Total cost for me was just over 300 which includes 150 for the surety bond. That is the additional value of getting a good clean Texas title when buying a used dirt bike if you ever plan to plate it. Plus about a day of your time running around getting the surety bond.

Good luck: Let us know how it works out

Here are a couple other links that helped me.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/forms/vehicle_titles.htm <-- on-line VTR forms
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/mcintexas.htm <-- DOT motorcycle requirements
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/txmclaws.htm <-- Other DOT info registration and license requirments
http://www.lawrenceautotitle.com/FAQ1.htm <-- good site with info on title bonds (Although I didn't use this company they have a good FAQ page)


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#230395 - 10/27/08 02:21 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: EnduroRdr]
islandman Offline
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Registered: 08/26/08
Posts: 6
Loc: Kemah, Texas
I wanted to thank everyone for the all the suggestions and knowledge on how the license process works. I plated my CRF450 X last week without any trouble. Now off to Big Bend 11/13/08!

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#230396 - 10/29/08 04:21 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: islandman]
XR650Rocketman Offline
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Registered: 12/21/00
Posts: 661
Loc: Austin / Round Rock, Texas
Glad the forum was able to help you out Steve. We always are happy to have more D/S riders legally on the roads and trails.

You should come to Big Bend a little earlier and join the annual ride.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/files/554257-TerlinguaDualSport.fly%5C%2708.pdf

It's a great way to experience some of Big Bend with good company and a good time.


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68 Honda SS125A
00 Honda XR650R D/S
04 honda XR650R D/S
00 Honda XR250R D/S
02 Honda CRF450
02 KTM 200EXC
82 Super Sport Wife.

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#230397 - 01/15/09 02:24 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: EnduroRdr]
pmkkdx Offline
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Registered: 06/20/02
Posts: 4473
Loc: Central Texas, USA, Earth (mos...
In reply to:

I did my xr400 using a title bond (AKA Surety Bond), but in my case I had the original MSO - maybe it helped but probably not. Since it was from another state and was in someone else's name (the guy before the one I bought it from), the DMV lady said this was not helping my situation. She said I need to go get a "Surety Bond".




I am in a similar situation ... but am only wanting to get the title for the bike ('02 KTM520EXC) I have up for sale, and all that are interested want it for a dual sport...

I was going to sell with "bill of sale only" since I didn't get a title or MCO when I bought 4+ years ago. I didn't have any interest in DSing it... showed it last night and when going thru the original manuals came across the MCO stuck between the pages... I was surprised!!! ...

anyway, the MCO was from GA in what I am guessing was the original owners name (not the person I bought from Aug. '04) ... nothing that I saw stated "off-road only"

how do I proceed to get the appropriate paperwork to get the first round (off-road) title??? ... the next owner will be responsible to convert, inspect & get "streetable" title.
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#230398 - 01/15/09 05:14 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: pmkkdx]
EnduroRdr Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 446
Loc: Tomball TX
Marcus, I think I would take the MSO or MCO you have and go visit your local DMV - Play dumb and ask.
But since it doesn't have your name on it you should make up a bill of sale from the name on the MCO to you.
Find a sympathetic notary that you know real well that will put a stamp on it for you (that would only help your case). If you leave the guy in between you will have to pay tax twice! (once for each owner exchange)
Then take the MCO and the NEW bill of sale (with stamp on it) to DMV then I would explain the situation like this.

I bought this bike and it was never titled anywhere and I need a title only not registration for license plate! If she understands the law then she will know that the MCO/MSO is the "birth certificate" for your bike and will start the process of application for a title just like a new bike. Note: they are probably going to hit you for taxes (sales tax) it should be based on the current NADA value of that bike according to the website but they may try to hit you for the original MSRP for tax purposes - but more than likely just current NADA value for tax base. You might get away from the inspection requirement since you only want a Texas title. But then again you may need the inspection (green sheet) to prove it is street legal - so they don't assume it is "Off Road Only" (Don't say you bought it to ride off road). That could open another can of worms because you can not get an inspection with out insurance (more cost) that you don't want to have to pay for.

Another approach would be to take your MCO and new Bill of sale go visit your friendly local KTM dealer. They can help you I think? They should be able to bring your MSO/MCO paperwork along with an application (just like they do for new bikes they sell) and apply for the title for you just as if you bought a new bike from them. You may have to buy some expensive new riding gear or reward them in some way for their trouble. But they should be able to get a title for it just like you purchased it new since it has never been registered. I'm not sure if they need insurance to do that. Maybe someone else can explain if a dealer can sell a street legal bike and issue a title to owner with out insurance. I would think so because you really only need to prove insurance when you apply for the license plate. In this case you only want a title.

The last approach is you could go through all the steps like I did and get a Title Bond. Another 150 bucks and a couple afternoons of running around. My xr400 had an MSO from Mississippi Dealer. But the XR is considered an "Off Road Only" vehicle and I wanted to plate it so it just made more sense for me to do the bond thing. I received a standard motor cycle title without "Off Road Only" on it but it does say "Bonded Title". Either way it works for me.
You - on the other hand have a bike who's model number is already listed as street legal, so I would try directly to DMV, if that doesn't work then Dealer before I'd do the bonded route.

Clear as mud huh?

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#230399 - 01/17/09 01:59 AM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: EnduroRdr]
XR650Rocketman Offline
Veteran Lunatic

Registered: 12/21/00
Posts: 661
Loc: Austin / Round Rock, Texas
The title bond avenue is the way to go. You may want to dummy up a bill of sale.

With an MSO you should have no problem.
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XR650Rocketman
www.RiderDown.org in memory of MiniRocketman
68 Honda SS125A
00 Honda XR650R D/S
04 honda XR650R D/S
00 Honda XR250R D/S
02 Honda CRF450
02 KTM 200EXC
82 Super Sport Wife.

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#504902 - 05/23/11 08:42 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: Hoop]
fredtech Offline
Old Boot

Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 39
Loc: Pearland (Houston area), Texas
"Most bike shops will sell you an aluminum plate that goes behind the license plate"
Does anybody knows where to get that aluminum plate? How does it looks like? I don't think I understand correctly, does it fold under the license plate?

Thanks in advance.

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#508391 - 07/14/11 05:05 PM Re: Converting offroad to Dual Sport [Re: fredtech]
sanderjavant Offline
TON Member

Registered: 05/15/04
Posts: 89
Loc: Castroville, Texas
I just went through the process and was told a lot of different procedures but finally was able to get the tax office to follow the procedure in the Texas Motor Vehicle Title Manual, but I had to talk to the supervisor and point out the passage below..

http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/vtr/title_manual_book_451.pdf

Motor Vehicle Title Manual 14-20 TxDMV June 2011

Motorcycles
Once a motorcycle has been titled as an off highway vehicle without registration,
VTR requires an application for corrected title to clear the remark if the vehicle is
ever modified in order to register.

If a transfer of ownership is involved and a
current license number is shown in the license number space on the application for
title, the notation “Off Highway Use Only” deletes automatically from the title
record.

Applicants should include a Vehicle Identification Certificate issued by a
Safety Inspection Station and a copy of the current registration receipt with the
application for title.
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